Awol Rp. Serious?

[Mechanical Mind]

I was considering the idea of making Awol RP serious.
By serious I mean long term, you have to sign up for police. Get a gun license, take a test, then slowly gain ranks.

Do you think this is a good idea? If so please give me ideas on how to make it serious.

[Spiffy]

Yes, I think this is a fantastic idea, we already have a good fanbase and it will be easier to get people excited about it, also it will be the only australian serious rp server.

[stinkfire]

i agree with that. Maybe the longer u are gun dealer the better guns you can sell? I also want the game to be more trade worthy. As in atm the only people who really make any sales are gun dealers and thecooks.

I would like it if drugs had more of an insentive to use.

Maybe if you had a happyness bar and different things filled it up like drugs or maybe..

[Sylver]

I approve. I <3 srs rp. Systems that I've seen so far is there's 3 levels of ranks.

Recruit, which has 3 stages.
Officer, 3 stages again. Only last rank is allowed a pistol.
SpecOps(or OW:E): Has quite a few ranks. I guess we can adapt them.

How is the application system going to work? Forums?
Are we going to train in game? If so, how long in each rank?
How are we going to enforce this? Are we going to use a database? or just stick with the .txt files you've used so far?

[Mechanical Mind]

I was gonna stick with text files. Fuck forums.
Maybe someone with a higher rank needs to promote?

EDIT: Also I want to add in some proper trade items. Still need ideas for it though.

[Sylver]

Maybe the spec ops rank can recommend someone for promotion?

[Umbra]

I definitely agree. The problem that I can see with the AWOL rp server is that it is getting too popular. As the amount of regular players increase so do the amount of minges that come to ruin everything. This is the best idea I have ever heard and I would love a permanently serious rp server! This is also a perfect time to do it, as the popularity of AWOL rp is increasing and ideas are beginning to roll in. Though there is no rush and we can still use the server how it is until you are ready to make the switch but it's a yes from me! :boobs:

[Mechanical Mind]

Well unfortunately Im going on camp next week Monday - Friday, so I can't code anything then.

[n00b1n8R]

I think it's a fucking shit idea, but I know you guys are going to do it anyway.

I put serious Gmod RP in the same category as Stranded.

[Mechanical Mind]

Its not like you play it anyway n00b...

[Alucard]

I think this is a good idea that should be integrated when the proximity mic is introduced to Gmod. Because personally serious RP is realy hard without the use of mic for the police. And also perhaps make class the diffrent ranks for each of the diffrent jobs EG: for the rebels.


.................. Petty Hacker -> Cyber Punk -> Napster
New Blood -> Blood Boy -> Butcher -> Surgeon..........................-> The Boss
...................Brawler -> Enforcer -> Hitman


Also the BOSS of each of the jobs should have the option on their computer to create a spread sheet.
This spread sheet will then automaticly at the end of each month of the game wire money to those on the pay roll EG

John - Enforcer - $25
Jake - Blood Boy - $10

This money would be a bonus to their usual pay, These are only suggestions

[n00b1n8R]

I didn't think being a rebel meant you had to work with the rebels, but rather it was more of a moral alignment..
Its not like you play it anyway n00b...

because it's already too serious and :effort: for my tastes.

[Mechanical Mind]

Well then I don't have a problem with making it more serious. Nobody that plays it has objected yet.

[Kannon]

i kinda like the idea. but bye bye 98% of our members. no offence mech but you should finish the game mode or atleast get it to a stable stage (you cant call now stable) then think about making it serious. but as noon said your going to do it anyway. and as ive noticed none of you care what i say anyway.

[I-R-Sexy]

Okay now my thoughts. I have read through all your guys ideas and I agree with making it serious Roleplay but once again no offense all your ideas will make the game mode fail.

One thing is. If you make it a serious RP you can't have the "Arrest Baton" where you can just teleport people to jail. You will have to have Zipties and tell people to face the wall and tie them up. Were they would have a fair case to proove there innocence and can pay a bail. (which you guys should know what is if not this is what it is. A bail is a payment which allows you to exit your cell while you are going to undertake a serious court case.) A bail would differently range on your charge E.G.

Massive Drug Trafficking - $5000
Murder - $10,000
Armed Robbery - $2000

(These are bail prices on the game due to the amount of money people would usually have.)


This is how the Australian Police Force is set:

Name - Job - Weaponry

Recruit - Training stage fitness and mental test once a week until promoted - Stunstick, Zipties.
Constable - Basic Officer. Takes in police reports and patrols the town. - Stunstick, Zipties, 9mml Pistol
Senior Constable - Senior Officer. Does police reports and patrols town, but has more authority then Constable. - Stunstick, Zipties, Upgraded Pistol. (Deagle maybe.)
Sergeant - Medium Rank. Files reports on constable duty's, patrols town, orders constables. - Stunstick, Zipties, 9mml Pistol, Shotgun.
Senior Sergeant - Medium High Rank. Files reports, patrols town, overviews Sergeant reports. - Stunstick, Zipties, Advanced pistol, Shotgun.
Commander - High Rank. Orders Senior Sergeants on how to order his squad, rarely patrols, takes file reports. - Stunstick, Zipties, Advanced Pistol, Shotgun, Basic Rifle.
Deputy Commissioner - Head Rank. Tells Commanders on what to do. Files Reports, looks after the police station, creates new squads, recruits new people, tests recruits, only ever one, reviews court cases. - StunStick, Zipties, Advanced Pistol, Shotgun, Advanced Rifle.
Mayor - High Rank. Looks after city, does not have much to do with police force. - No weapons.


S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons and Tactics) Team:

Name - Job - Weapon

Demolition - Heavy explosives to get through doorways. - Shotgun + Door Breaching Shotgun, Frag and Flash grenades, Advanced Pistol.
Sniper - Takes out enemies at a long range and gives cover fire. - Sniper Rifle, Advanced Pistol.
Primary Assault - First to raid the dedicated room and call if its clear - Advanced Rifle, Advanced Pistol, Flash grenade.
Support Assault - Second to enter the dedicated room and check for clear - Advanced Rifle, Advanced Pistol.
Squad Leader - Calls the Shots of the group, enters room last. - Advanced Rifle, Shotgun, Advanced Pistol, Flash grenade.
S.W.A.T. Commander - Runs the S.W.A.T., does not leave police station, files reports, does briefings. - Advanced Rifle, Shotgun, Advanced Pistol, Flash and Frag grenades.

Okay now I will explain the ranking and authorities list and then explain this a little bit more...

Rank - Name
Authorities.


Ranking/Authorities:
1. Deputy Commissioner
Complete power over every officer.
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Giving out Licenses.
Death Sentences.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Promotion of Units.
Create new squads.
Calling for S.W.A.T. backup.

2. Commander
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Giving out Licenses.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Promotion of Units.
Calling for S.W.A.T. backup.

2. S.W.A.T. Commander
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Giving out Licenses.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Promotion of S.W.A.T. Units.
Calling for S.W.A.T. backup.

3. Mayor
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Giving out Licenses.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Calling for S.W.A.T. backup.
Judges Court Cases

3. Senior Sergeant
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Giving out Licenses.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Promotion of Units.

4.Sergeant
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.
Promotion of Units.

4.Squad Leader
Random Search Warrants on any individual.
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings.

5.Demolition
Kill On sight (Raid)
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings

5.Sniper
Kill On Order (Raid)
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings

5.Primary Assault
Kill On sight (Raid)
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings

5.Support Assault
Kill On sight (Raid)
Jail Sentences.
Court Case openings

6.Senior Constable
Jail Sentences
Requested Court Cases

7.Constable
Jail Sentences
Requested Court Cases

8.Recruit
Jail Sentences
Requested Investigation of activity.

Some things to help you understand this:

1. The Units of S.W.A.T. Assaults, Sniper and Demolition. All are the same rank as each other.
2. No S.W.A.T. Unit can order other units around, except for the S.W.A.T. Commander. (Other Unit's meaning units not apart of S.W.A.T. - The S,W,A,T, leader orders S.W.A.T. Units.)
3. To become a recruit you would need to fill out and pass an application test. It would ask you questions ICly and OOCly such as:
Do you know NLR? Can you Obey the rules? Tell us a background story of your character.. ETC. (Very basic sutff).
4. Commanders or Higher can accept in new recruits and the Sergeants and Senior Sergeants can put in good words for trialing recruits.
5, Each rank has the same abilities as the rank below it. This does not mean rank 4 and 4 have same authorities but ranks 4 has the same authorities as 5 and sometimes more.
6. S.W.A.T. Is like Overwatch and is only to be online when called in by the Mayor or Commander. (S.W.A.T. leader can be online at all times.)
7. To get into S.W.A.T you would need to be a Senior Constable and then when promoted you can choose to be a Sergeant or trial to join the S.W.A.T team were you would have to fill out a new application by the S.W.A.T. Commander and do some mental and fitness tests.


Information on how squads work:
A squad is a group of people which would work together as a team to do there work. A way of showing this to real life is each Police Station is it's own squad. So if you lived in Victoria around my area such squads would be "Chelsea Police or Mordialloc Police" no squad has more power then the other but may be run differently depending on what the commanders want.
The Deputy Commissioner is the head of all squads, basically he is the boss of boss.
There is only 1 Commander per Squad who runs it. There are unlimited of lower ranks compared to how many players play on the server. With a player limit of 20 there should only be one squad at the moment + S.W.A.T. players. But if the server is Serious Roleplay it shouldn't matter seeing how you can create more then one character if you use the correct scripts.

Well honestly guys I have had enough of typing so I will leave it as that. This took me like 1-2hours to write, nothing copied and pasted :) If you are going to make a serious Roleplay please use this structure or something close to it, or honestly the force would fail. If you need help in anyway with Police Rosters, rules, application forms and all that crap I'm here and got nothing better to do. Was former Admin of MMOSuite Serious Roleplay before it merged with Fallen Studios, was HL2 Serious RP. So yeah give me your feedback on this and stuff that I could possibly improved and some criticism.
Thanks, Mitch :D

One thing I need to edit in just re-read peoples posts. Topics Microphone.

If you are going to allow Microphones for in-game talk you will need to make a script which allows Microphones to only be heard in a 5m or so radius so people won't be talking and everyone around the map can hear it. This is possible to do as you can make it so people can only hear your IC talk from a certain distance so make that Voice talk would just be changing some variables. (Don't know anything about scripting lol)

[Midnight]

I concur with Mech and the others here. I think a serious RP would be a good idea and defiantly stop allot of the problems we face right now.

[Mechanical Mind]

Holy shit that is a long colourfull post.

I have one thing to say. Police and weapons that are not handguns *Mechanical Mind runs off screaming*

Anyway Im off to camp cya. Make sure you post more shit ideas here.

[I-R-Sexy]

I have one thing to say. Police and weapons that are not handguns *Mechanical Mind runs off screaming*

Each Australian police car has its own set of firearms. But you are only authorized to use certain ones equivalent to your rank. Which is why I lol when police cars are left unattended in streets. If somebody came by and broke in the back window they can grab a couple shotguns and walk off.

[EaSyStReEt]

Just a quick reminder to those who do not seem to listen to Mech when they ask him about the proximity mics, He is waiting for the next gmod update which adds a couple of new commands to make the whole proximity mic thing easier to do.



Oh yeah and turning AWOL RP in to serious business might be a good idea to keep the server in check...just my 2 cents

[Kannon]

yeah. because the only people who would play would be awol and like 3 other people

[Umbra]

yeah. because the only people who would play would be awol and like 3 other people

Then I'm happy to say I would be one of those three :)

One thing is. If you make it a serious RP you can't have the "Arrest Baton" where you can just teleport people to jail. You will have to have Zipties and tell people to face the wall and tie them up. Were they would have a fair case to proove there innocence and can pay a bail. (which you guys should know what is if not this is what it is. A bail is a payment which allows you to exit your cell while you are going to undertake a serious court case.) A bail would differently range on your charge E.G.

The ziptie idea, though great for real life, would make rebels that have their mind set on escaping quite impossible to arrest. The problem I see is that in real life when a cop points a gun at you you stop because you don't want to die. Whereas in Gmod rp dying simply means you will come back to life with your hunger meter a little lower and may lose $20-$30 depending on whats in your wallet :p

However I still think it is a good idea and if some way could be found to make it work... Then I would support it.. I do like the idea of having court cases and making people pay bail, it would also give cops more to do.

With a player limit of 20 there should only be one squad at the moment + S.W.A.T. players.

You have listed 15+ Jobs so if we want anyone other then combine.... :o

In total I like a lot of your ideas I R Sexy. If we could integrate those ideas into a HL2 interpretation of them, we could set up a very good system of combine authority. Nice job :)

[I-R-Sexy]

You have listed 15+ Jobs so if we want anyone other then combine.... :o


Yeah :D Thanks. But yeah there only ideas if it goes to serious. If it was Serious RP you would need a player base were every player would be able to have more then one character to fill out the jobs (Unless you want a 48 slot server); which is why Taco/Cake script is popular.

If we could integrate those ideas into a HL2 interpretation of them, we could set up a very good system of combine authority.

I struggled to do it seeing how I based it on Real life Roleplay. I could write something up 3x the size of that in half the time if it was on Serious HL2 Roleplay.. But the thing is Serious Half Life 2 roleplay does fail and not many people would play.

[Uno]

The main thing i could see is that, not everyone likes to or even can't serious RP.
Cop: Hands behind your head and face the wall
Criminal: Shoots cop and runs off

Regardless, Zipties would rely on ALOT of decent RP Cop - RP Rebel. Co-operation is a must, but with mega serious things as I-R-Sexy noted, there would also be a need for Lawyers for Court Cases.

[Umbra]

Yes Uno this is the problem I can see in the future. Unfortunately, even if you have to apply for the job positions and so forth people will still not willing give in to cops for the sake of rp. Even now it is hard enough to get within five or so meters to arrest them with the arrest batton. Imagine trying to make them freeze while you are walking up to them...:eek:

I struggled to do it seeing how I based it on Real life Roleplay. I could write something up 3x the size of that in half the time if it was on Serious HL2 Roleplay..

3x the size? Lol I don't think that will be necessary :p

[Myxl]

Well Serious RP Sounds cool and it looks all good , just i don't no if minges will let us a try to have some Serious business :)

Like Uno said

Cop: FREEEZEEEE

Rebel: Shoots takes money

But as far as Im seeing its all good and should pass. to Serious RP!

[ELiTe]

I have serious rp'd for a few years and tbh its the only way i like to rollplay, If it means less people playing all the better, i have no want to play with minges, if they wanna kill people they can play css. People that would bad rp on servers i played were kicked and directed to the rules, if they failed to follow good rp guidelines or showed no incentive to want to learn them, they would be banned.

It doesn't have too get as advanced as I-R-SEXY's post, But i would like to see tests for people to be cops, and strict guide lines for them to rollplay, i could type these up if needed based off some i have used in the past. As for guns and killing people that's all fair and allowed but there should be a bigger punishment for people deciding to use guns, the gun license is a great idea. And by signing up for one and having a test it allows people to accept that if they do murder someone they will have to rollplay correctly with one and if need be, be held in a court case. I never had a law degree when i played serious rollplay so i couldn't begin to list how one should play that roll. But seeming as gmod rp has gone downhill since gmod9 i would love to see a place where i can play like this again.

-keep in mind a lot of people are new to gmod with the release of gmod10 and thats why we have bad rpers, If there could be a link we could send people for good rp guidelines and ways to play rolls without risk of a ban, that would be a great place to start cleaning the server up from minges.

to add to another post i saw about rebels etc. Tbh i don't like splitting up criminals from civs, i like civs to be able to break the law rather than having to change job just to do illegal things (and i mean more than civs only being able to shoot people). Guns on an Rp server i played on were not really expensive but pay was so hard to come buy that buying one usually took enough time to become familiar with the rules, and loosing one was usually a big thing. This meant that murder wasn't a usual thing to see, and when it did happen a court case was held, and usually the whole server would join in as the jury. (kill reporting was removed, so only eye witness accounts would hold up) [i dont really recommend low pay or hi cost for guns, the whole problem is solved just by having people learn to use them for a roll] (guns are used for protection, and only people with an intent to murder will usually do so) [I'm in no means trying to suck fun out of rp, i find its a lot more exciting to kill people when there is a high risk like punishment or just the whole planning the murder thing, time place etc.]

If you have any questions about serious rp feel free to ask me i have played it for years on many different servers, and trust me serious rp means a different thing on each of them, so i know about many ways that it can be played. And a few i think can work for everyone.

[I-R-Sexy]

3x the size? Lol I don't think that will be necessary :p

if it's on Serious HL2 Roleplay it needs to be 10x the size of what I wrote. Would need to outline these things -

- Combine Roster
- Overwatch Roster
- Sync Roster (Scanners, Plane things)
- Resistances (Main one and small unorganized ones)
- Combine Terminology (Codes, E.G. 10-4 : Affirmative.)
- Mayor Rosters
- Laws
- Vortiguant Roster

Many more things would still need to be added. Also with every different Roster there would be a new application forum, rules, guidelines and even your point of the roll.. There is a lot to do to make it a Serious HL2 RP. If you willing to make it Serious there is a lot of work to do it's not just simple nothing to do. Before you start playing a Serious server you would be browsing the forums for atleast 30minutes to see what's going on..

Even with the Combine Roster there would be multiple squads, such as research guys, torturer guys and normal guys. Then they need a full new roster each with mutliple more units and there would be a lot to do.

Also, rebels wouldn't be able to turn around and *pew pew* a Combine officer because with Serious Roleplays when you pull out your weapon you need to holster it by typing "rp_holster" into your console which can be binded, yes. But if you pull out your gun without doing a /me it is classified as ass-killing and is a bannable offense. E.g. /me pulls out my guns and fires at the Combine officer.. < If you didn't do something like this and then "rp_holster" you would be banned for ass-killing. So in other words if you are told to stand against a wall you will be easily tied up. You turn around to two officers, one holding a gun to your head another one with Zipties out your pull out your gun upholstered (still seen) *bang* your dead. In HL2 Serious Roleplay Combine don't care to kill you. So in other words if it is going to be a serious Roleplay a lot of scripts would be implented:

- Knock out script (Take to much blunt weapon damage you are knocked out.. There is also a BeanBag Shotgun, which if hits you correctly you are knocked out... Combine shoots you and knocks you out then ties you up.)
- Holster script
- Zipties SWEP

Many more can't be bothered thinking..

Also there are many very random laws which you would think is stupid, E.G. In half Life 2, food is illegal. They only legal food is, Fruit and Combine Issued Rations. The Rations is like a cheap jail dinner with cheap meat, some vegetables and water. Everything in the Ration is drugged to make the citizens forget of the 7 Hour war and how the Combine invaded Earth. It makes them think that the Combine have always been here and the Citizens are just peasants that are lucky enough to live on there planet.

If need more explanation I can continue but yes, it is very complex but once you've read and understood everything once, it's very simple.

[Umbra]

Elite's exactly right. The fact is that on a serious rp server there wont be any minges or dmers. The reason for this is that they will have to sign up and learn the rules so few minges will join in the first place. Then also, if they decide to prop surf, prop kill, dm, spam the server etc. There will be no excuse for doing so (since they would already know the rules) and they can be kicked/ banned depending on the severity of the condition. So serious RP means SERIOUS RP and NO MORE MINGES EVER AGAIN!!!! :boobs:

I also like his idea of civilians having the choice of becoming rebels without changing job. Regardless of whether we go with real life RP or HL2 RP it is exactly how it should be. When you think about it all rebels in real life are actually civilians that have chosen to break the law. Great idea I think you should post it in the RP suggestions thread as well :)

[I-R-Sexy]

One thing I forget to add.

In serious Roleplay there are no jobs or classes. Everybody is a citizen except for Combine which are Combine. You are either a Citizen, Combine, Voritgaunt or another Certain "Roll". To become a rebel at a citizen you would need to find a group of people and Roleplay into becoming friends with them and soon enough start to Rebel. But if you continuously eat rations then you will forget all about the reasons to Rebel and start to rat out the resistance. Same goes for a Combine.

When a Combine starts as a Recruit all he is, is a citizen in an Outfit. He is loyal to the citizens but also loyal to the Combine. A Commander Unit of the combine would kill a citizen who looks at him funny but on the other hand a Recruit unit wouldn't even hurt a citizen unless harmed him first... Some people join the Combine forces to go Rogue and deceive the Combine. But once you reach a too high rank of the Combine you brain is removed and you are turned more mechanical. Once you have reached this rank you do not give a flying fuck about the citizens and just beat them when they get in your way...

A Combine Roster would be

Recruit
03 Unit
02 Unit
01 Unit
"SqL" Squad Leader
"CmD" Command Unit
"DvL" Division Leader
"SeC" Sectorial Command

By 01 it will be impossible for you to turn against the combine. But at 02 you could but it wouldn't be too easy.

So yeah yeah, I forgot what I was talking about so I can't be bothered typing anymore. /fail.

[Spiffy]

LOL because all our regulars join awol.

[ELiTe]

I-R-SEXY i think your missing the point of serious rp, it doesn't mean it gets more advanced or realistic, it purely means that you have the play a role, and if you fuck around you risk a ban. It's a term used to boycot mingebags. The game mode doesn't have to take a turn to RL-RP i wouldn't want that, if i did i would just walk outside.

bear in mind its not a simulation we want its just a chance to roleplay.

On the whole swat note, cops can decide to play that roll when the need arises like a raid etc. We wouldn't want to stop people from playing a role just because they're not that rank.
What we do want is to start getting people ready to play those roles, if they are willing. We need people themselves to change, not so much the gamemode. After all people that save up lots of money end up having no need for it in the long run and miss out on roleplaying. Which is why i suggest people try to take on roles for themself, any person can play a drug addict, even a cop. Plus that gives scientists a bit more of a role to play.

ps. i just realized i have spelt role as roll in all of my posts....I'm tired so stfu. Please attempt to ignore it.


*explosive hi-5's kannon*

[Kannon]

*hi-5's Elite*

[Myxl]

iv seen at a few serious role play theirs a quiz and if you like get it wrong 2 times you get automatically banned for a day. ( just saying)

[Kannon]

.. seriously most of the quiz's are commen sense. and idiot can get them right

[Myxl]

Well at least it puts them to know what they should do. and when they are banned or something they have nothing to cry about

[ELiTe]

one thing I'm finding very annoying on the server lately, are idiots like *name omitted* who constantly cry about dming, but non stop kill people for no reason them self. And it's not just him who does it, it's just about anybody online with a gun at the time.

I have nothing against killing somebody, but when you kill somebody you just shot a few seconds ago and constantly say nlr it gets to the point where its not even funny. (cops are people too)

This is not dm its not rebels vs combine, so stop acting that way. It's getting to the point i only want trusted or people with licenses able to use weapons.

And don't go shitting on saying i am trying to suck the fun out of rp, if you are one of those people you clearly have no idea how rp needs to be played in the first place, and should go play an rp-dm server or go have some 'fun' on icannt.

[n00b1n8R]

I told you making guns overpriced was a stupid method of gun control.

[ELiTe]

I never suggested higher gun prices, i have always been for licenses but for now all we can do is raise prices. If someone wants to kill some one, they can pay high price for it. It stops minges from joining and just buying guns.

To add to this, i just wish people would kill with a reason. Some rebels seem to think shooting a cop is ok, Cops also pay for their guns just like the retard rebels that bitch when they loose one from being arrested. These rules need to be shoved right in their face. Killing without a reason should not be tolerated. I have shit all tolerance for anybody that has a happy trigger finger. It gives people no right to kill another player trying to enjoy themselves. There must be a reason or motif behind the killing.

[n00b1n8R]

But then that one guy can go on a rampage and nobody can do anything to stop him.

More guns means safety in numbers.
Or you could just remove them all together vOv

[Myxl]

Well Elite the new excuse is now " HE PAID ME TOO"

[ByJoveWhatWhat]

I definitely agree. The problem that I can see with the AWOL rp server is that it is getting too popular. As the amount of regular players increase so do the amount of minges that come to ruin everything. This is the best idea I have ever heard and I would love a permanently serious rp server! This is also a perfect time to do it, as the popularity of AWOL rp is increasing and ideas are beginning to roll in. Though there is no rush and we can still use the server how it is until you are ready to make the switch but it's a yes from me! :boobs:



I guess the Minge problem would be only be relatively short term, Minges either get bored or banned fairly quickly.

[Spiffy]

If the server is policed constantly the minge problem is controlled.